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Neamtan is coordinator of the Intercontinental Network for 
the Promotion of a Social/Solidarity Economy (RIPESS), and 
president and general director of Chantier1 
de l’economie sociale, Quebec, Canada.
Sirel met up 
with her at the 2010 National Summit on a People-Centered 
Economy, held in Ottawa, Canada on May 30 through June 1, 
where she discussed several aspects of the relationship 
between Social/Solidarity Economy initiatives and the labor 
movement. 
  
-How would you describe your organization, Chantier de 
l’economie sociale? 
-It’s a large meeting point where different stakeholders 
come together to promote and develop a Social/Solidarity 
Economy in Quebec. What this means is that we are a 
group of networks of cooperative and associative companies 
operating in various sectors, such as housing, environmental 
issues, work cooperatives and early childhood education 
(daycare centers). In addition to these collective 
companies, we gather other networks that work in the 
development of their local communities, both in urban and 
rural areas. Also involved are large social movements that 
support the development of a Social/Solidarity Economy 
as a way of contributing to the democratization of the 
economy. The participation of these movements is immensely 
important to us. I’m referring, for example, to Quebec’s two 
leading labor confederations, the youth and women’s 
movements, and the associative movement for cultural 
democracy, among others. 
  
Chantier’s goal is to further a Social/Solidarity Economy 
(SSE) so that people will be able to carry out 
undertakings geared to meet the needs of their communities. 
It also provides a number of tools that can be used to 
coordinate efforts among all the agents involved in the 
various actions. Our structure is in itself a space for 
coordinating actions and for working jointly on the issues 
that bring us together. 
  
-Could you give an example? 
-We have a working conditions committee that meets with a 
network of companies to examine current labor conditions in 
collective companies, and, together with the green movement, 
it studies possible ways of improving our companies’ 
environmental practices. It’s a space for coordinating 
efforts, for discussing differences and inconsistencies, and 
for seeking common solutions. 
  
We also have a representation mandate, so that we’re 
recognized by the government of the province of Quebec, and 
by all of civil society, both at the provincial and at the 
international level, where we act as Social Economy 
representatives. 
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Chantier’s goal is to further a 
Social/Solidarity Economy so that people will be 
able to carry out undertakings geared to meet 
the needs of their communities. It also provides 
a number of tools that can be used to coordinate 
efforts among all the agents involved in the 
various actions.  | 
 
 
 
  
-What historic ties are there between social economy efforts 
and trade unions in Quebec? 
-Their integration is an issue of the utmost importance, and 
I believe it is key to the success and the strength of the
SSE movement in Quebec. This is not a recent 
development, as cooperatives and associations have existed 
for ages in our province. But there has been a renewal of 
the citizenship movement at the heart of the economy, which 
began in the early 1980s with the emergence of two 
simultaneous debates, both of great social importance.
 
  
One of these debates arose within the labor movement. While 
society was searching for ways out of the economic crisis 
that we were suffering at the time -other crisis would 
follow-, the Quebec Workers’ Federation (Fédération des 
travailleurs et travailleuses du Québec - FTQ) 
began to question whether it should continue indefinitely 
with a defensive strategy (which includes one of the basic 
functions of trade unions, the negotiation of collective 
bargaining agreements and working conditions), or if it 
should instead adopt a “proactive” stance, that is, if it 
should take action to solve underlying problems, such as the 
need to generate and protect jobs. 
  
FTQ 
then sat down with the government to negotiate the 
establishment of a legal framework that enabled the creation 
of Canada’s first workers’ fund, called “Fonds de 
solidarité FTQ.”  
  
This pension fund, which complements the general pension 
scheme and is wholly-controlled by FTQ affiliates, 
was set up with the aim of encouraging workers who had no 
pension benefits, or who were not in the habit of saving, to 
start putting money aside for their retirement. Once 
sufficient resources were raised, the Fund was required to 
invest in the generation and preservation of jobs in the 
province of Quebec. At present, sixty percent of the money 
collected by the Fund must mandatorily be allocated to that 
goal. 
  
This brought about an enormously significant change in terms 
of social conditions, and it created a ripple effect, with 
other labor federations replicating the experience, but at 
the same time, it helped the associative movement solve a 
dilemma that it too was facing. Although we were directing 
our efforts towards defending labor laws, especially those 
protecting poor urban populations, we feared our efforts 
were actually contributing to reproduce poverty, as the 
development model that prevailed at that time -the heyday of 
neoliberalism, with Ronald Reagan in the United 
States and Margaret Thatcher in Great 
Britain- precluded any alternatives. 
  
-How was it that this change came about? 
-There weren’t many of us back then, and that made things a 
little easier, but at time these discussions became brutal. 
In the end we arrived at the conclusion that we had to 
address economic issues, but with a different approach. We 
were working from a southeast Montreal neighborhood, 
in the industrial heart of Canada, and we were seeing 
factory after factory closing down; also, there was already 
a second-generation of unemployed. So labor and cooperative 
struggles crossed paths on the field.  
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When a new crisis came in the 1990s, we saw that 
we could promote a Social/Solidarity Economy as 
a response to that crisis, as a way of 
addressing employment generation needs. At that 
time, the labor movement worked with us from day 
one to develop that idea.  | 
 
 
 
  
We started working together with the labor movement to save 
our factories, generate jobs and train workers, as we 
quickly realized that many lacked basic training and 
skill-development. 
  
So we established what we called Community Development 
Corporations, which are still operating today and have even 
influenced Quebec’s public policies in community matters, 
and which above all have shown that establishing a policy of 
alliances is key, not just socially but economically. 
  
This associative movement continued to develop over time, 
and when a new crisis came in the 1990s we saw that we could 
promote a Social/Solidarity Economy as a response to 
that crisis, as a way of addressing employment generation 
needs. The labor movement worked with us from day one to 
develop that idea. 
  
That’s not to say there were no discussions among us, as 
logically some fears and uncertainties existed, which gave 
way to significant debates. For example, public sector 
unions were wary of the government, because they feared it 
would take advantage of the communities’ capacity for 
self-management by using it to meet social needs through 
cheaper means, and that it would take it as an opportunity 
to eliminate public-sector jobs.  
  
But in this framework of shared goals and joint efforts, we 
were able to have this debate openly, transparently and 
productively. We were able to define where public service 
ends and where communities must begin to self-manage 
initiatives to solve their own needs, without employment 
being affected. Moreover, with the passing of time and as 
our undertakings grew, we saw the emergence of a trade union 
of SSE workers, which, in contrast to conventional 
employers, we considered a very positive thing.  
  
It’s also true that we asked trade unions to rethink their 
union practices, as the methods that are applied in, say, 
General Motors or a transnational corporation cannot be 
applied in a small neighborhood school run by parents. 
Unions are a good thing in all cases -we don’t argue that. 
But labor relations cannot be the same everywhere. 
  
All of this has led to a very smooth and intense dialogue 
with the labor movement, to the extent that labor 
federations are now present and actively involved in the 
structure of Chantier, as are all the other organizations 
that have been formed for SSE development in Quebec. 
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Another very important level of collaboration 
with labor federations are the solidarity funds 
- FTQ, for example, has a seven-billion-dollar 
fund -, which are mandated by their bylaws to 
allocate 60 percent of the money for investment 
projects within the province of Quebec.  | 
 
 
 
  
-Do trade unions in SSE companies observe labor laws like 
trade unions in any other company? 
-Of course they do, and workers there usually earn better 
salaries than workers who perform the same tasks in 
conventional companies. But the aim is to go beyond that and 
develop improved methods for working together. In cases in 
which part of the income is guaranteed by government 
subsidies, efforts are directed towards fighting together to 
improve wages and ensure that workers receive better 
training. There have even been successful initiatives aimed 
at building new skills.  
  
One innovation, for example, is a company that offers 
homecare services for elderly people who are no longer able 
to live fully on their own but are not yet ready to be 
committed to a nursing home. This service was not 
institutionally available, and it’s a highly skilled task, 
because it’s not just about cleaning and cooking, but also 
about spending time with the other person, establishing a 
relationship of trust and care, and there are many delicate 
matters that caretakers must tend to. In some cases it may 
even be necessary to make a decision to alert social or 
healthcare services about the situation of the persons cared 
for. For that reason, together with the community-based 
companies that provide this service, we developed a training 
course that has received government recognition, and the 
first generation of students have just graduated. 
  
We’ve developed a similar initiative in waste management, 
forming several companies that recycle and reduce the volume 
of waste. These initiatives consist in first identifying 
anything that can be recycled, instead of dumping it. This 
has given rise to a trade, which is performed upstream in 
the waste disposal process, and which we call “valuing, 
whereby workers select, for example, fabrics -cotton, silk, 
synthetic fibers, etc.- and determine the value of each 
material. It’s a process that has considerably increased the 
productivity of these companies. This would’ve never been 
possible without partnering up with trade unions. 
  
More recently, by gathering together youth organizations, 
women organizations and SSE undertakings, a 
complementary “multi-employer” pension fund was created, 
which small businesses can join so that they can provide 
coverage for their employees. This wasn’t possible before, 
because pension funds were only available for large 
companies or public sector jobs. 
  
Another very important level of collaboration with labor 
federations are, of course, the solidarity funds. FTQ, 
for example, has a seven-billion-dollar fund. According to 
these funds’ bylaws, 60 percent of the money they collect 
must be allocated for investment projects within the 
province of Quebec. 
  
The National Confederation of Trade Unions (Confédération 
des syndicats nationaux - CSN) of Quebec has a 
smaller fund, but which is more SSE-oriented, is 
managed in a participatory manner and focuses on 
environmental issues. We’ve also created a 20-million-dollar 
fund with CSN, for investing in social capital 
companies that are controlled by local agents, as opposed to 
what happens in the regular credit markets, where the 
companies that apply for financial aid must relinquish some 
control over their activities to the financing partner. In 
this fund, productive agents are fully respected, as are 
their social, environmental and cultural goals. 
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We 
learned that if we all came together 
-cooperatives, associative organizations, mutual 
funds- we would be able to show that we had 
significant economic weight and represented a 
different way of doing business.  | 
 
 
 
  
-What’s the difference between an SSE company and a 
cooperative?  
-What happened was that we realized that Quebec had very old 
cooperatives, such as the province’s leading financial 
institution, which was created more than a century ago. In 
1996, we had the opportunity of getting together and 
adopting a common SSE vocabulary, where SSE 
companies are defined as collective companies -either 
associative or cooperative- that are non-profit oriented, 
managed democratically and operate independently from the 
state, and which place people over capital.  
We learned that if we all came together -cooperatives, 
associative organizations, mutual funds- we would be able to 
show that we had significant economic weight and represented 
a different way of doing business. From that realization 
there was only one step to demanding that the government 
adopt public policies to contemplate the specific needs of 
these companies.  
  
You could say that some of the large and old cooperatives 
have kind of lost sight of their roots, but the vast 
majority of small cooperatives are members of Chantier and, 
therefore, they are part of this great movement that seeks 
to transform the economy and society.  
  
Chantier was built on an accumulation of past experiences. 
The labor and cooperative movements were born simultaneously 
as a reaction to capitalism. The labor movement emerged to 
protect workers against abuses from management and 
employers, and the cooperative movement was created with the 
aim of democratically controlling the means of production. 
But what happened was that both sectors often failed to see 
each other as members of the same family. So we made sure 
from the start that our structure was not based solely on 
SSE companies, but drew also on social movements working 
for social change and on agents working on the field, to 
find a long-term internal balance that would guarantee that
SSE companies would continue to be a work-in-progress 
and not an end in itself. 
  
-You’ve been appointed for a one-year term as coordinator of 
the Intercontinental Network for the Promotion of a 
Social/Solidarity Economy (RIPESS). What is the Network 
doing now? 
-RIPESS has decided that the policy that will be 
followed from now on will be to rotate these positions, a 
policy I agree with completely. We’re a network of networks 
that is still developing from a dynamic that began in 1997 
in Latin America, more specifically in Lima, and 
which continued in Quebec in 2001, and then in Senegal 
in 2005 where RIPESS’ structure was finally 
formalized.  
  
We define ourselves as “intercontinental,” as opposed to 
“international,” because we believe that ours must be a 
network that grows from below, with local, regional, 
national and continental expressions, with their own 
realities and characteristics that we want to respect. Which 
is why we planned to form a network in every continent.
 
  
In this way, a network is being developed in North 
America, throughout the United States and 
Canada; the network in Latin America is 
expanding, as this is the region where, without a doubt, 
SSE networks have been better implemented and 
acknowledged; and in Europe, after the Second 
Intercontinental Meeting held in Luxembourg in 2009, 
a movement emerged with the aim of establishing a RIPESS 
chapter next year. In Africa, several networks are 
being formed and there’s a continental meeting planned for 
next October in Morocco, where the RIPESS 
Africa chapter will probably be formalized. And the same 
process is underway in Asia, with RIPESS’ 
Third Intercontinental Meeting scheduled to be held in the 
Philippines in 2013.  
  
So, little by little and with our own dynamic, we’re 
building our movement with genuinely local, national and 
regional roots, avoiding other approaches often imposed by 
organizations whose sole aim is to co-opt society-built 
initiatives. 
  
From 
Quebec, Carlos Amorín 
Rel-UITA 
July 5, 201 
   
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